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Author: | tomp [ January 3rd, 2023, 2:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
Another example of what I have been saying for years. Any audio technology when properly implemented can yield superior results. The problem is almost always in the implementation. Tom |
Author: | SoundMods [ January 3rd, 2023, 2:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
I find it interesting that Wayne Colburn offers up a DC-coupled DIY design yet is manufacturing and selling an AC-coupled design (Pass Labs XP-12 Preamp) and using aluminum electrolytic coupling-capacitors to add insult to injury. ![]() |
Author: | David McGown [ January 3rd, 2023, 2:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
DIYers can deal with setting the output offset (though a servo would work). Also any commercial design needs to connect to any equipment and user error. David |
Author: | SoundMods [ January 3rd, 2023, 3:24 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta | ||
David McGown wrote: DIYers can deal with setting the output offset (though a servo would work). Also any commercial design needs to connect to any equipment and user error. David It's interesting you say that since Wayne used that (". . . needs to connect to any equipment. . .") as his reason. Yet much older products were AC coupled (Threshold FET-9) and there was not one sticking electrolytic in the signal path. The irony here is that the XP-12 had the means to dial-out DC offset and offset differential. ![]() ![]()
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Author: | Roscoe Primrose [ January 3rd, 2023, 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
If you build the Bride Of Zen (https://www.passdiy.com/project/preampl ... ide-of-zen) with depletion mode MOSFETs (or power JFETs) you can at least eliminate the input cap. Either way, the B1/BOZ designs are inverting, so you'll need to take that into account... I bet at the current & load impedance needed for a B1 or BOZ stage, you could relatively easily build a 1:1 output transformer, gets rid of the output cap, and you can fix the phase reversal as well ![]() ![]() Roscoe |
Author: | Roscoe Primrose [ January 3rd, 2023, 3:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
David McGown wrote: However, recently, experimenting listening to my DAC (Chord DAVE) as a preamp revealed the colorations these can have. Also having a vinyl system complicates just using a digital only system, and I have been experimenting with digitizing vinyl on the fly using an ADC to limited success. However, it would be better to not go through the conversion if I can help it. So, at this point, with the Dave, if you were running a digital only system, do you think there's anything to be gained by having a separate line stage? Roscoe |
Author: | David McGown [ January 3rd, 2023, 4:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
Walt, Not arguing with you, and good to know about use of coupling E-caps on the XP-12. Using tube amplifiers, a few mV of DC on the input really is not going to be an issue, it is not enough to upset the bias of the input stage and there are usually coupling caps (and an output transformer) that is going to filter out any DC through the amp. Only a problem with DC coupled solid state amplifiers where any DC at the input can be amplified and be presented across the speaker terminals. Not good. Of course, can have the same issue with leaky output caps (Jensen PIOs being infamous) on a tube preamp. Double plus not good. BTW, what is your impression on the XP-12? I consider this little BA linestage as an experiment, and if I am sold on using a solid state linestage, may want to be shopping around for a nice unit at some point, since my solid state design skill are, well, non-existent. Of course, I still have other tube based alternatives to explore for low gain/buffer stages, like DHTs or triode coupled power pentodes, either cap or OT coupled. That can end up being a major project, getting a quiet heater supply is the biggest issue for DHTs. Also, what is your view on back to back E-caps (with a bias voltage at the ++ or -- junction)? I have also heard that small value WIMA polycarbonates are ideal for bypassing the ELNA Silmic E-caps that PASS Labs tends to use for coupling. I picked up a few to try on my Pass DIY Pearl II phonostage when I get a chance. |
Author: | David McGown [ January 3rd, 2023, 4:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
Roscoe Primrose wrote: David McGown wrote: However, recently, experimenting listening to my DAC (Chord DAVE) as a preamp revealed the colorations these can have. Also having a vinyl system complicates just using a digital only system, and I have been experimenting with digitizing vinyl on the fly using an ADC to limited success. However, it would be better to not go through the conversion if I can help it. So, at this point, with the Dave, if you were running a digital only system, do you think there's anything to be gained by having a separate line stage? Roscoe If I were running a digital only system, I would not even bother with a linestage with the DAVE. I will have to AB the two once the linestage is broken in to see the impact on the digital side. The DAVE has 3VRMS unbalanced (6VRMS balanced) output and very low output impedance, more than capable of driving my amps. I have tried it, and the result is excellent. This is all a grand exploration of the best way having an integrated system. |
Author: | David McGown [ January 3rd, 2023, 4:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Solid State - Wayne's (Colburn) Burning Amp 2018 Linesta |
Roscoe Primrose wrote: If you build the Bride Of Zen (https://www.passdiy.com/project/preampl ... ide-of-zen) with depletion mode MOSFETs (or power JFETs) you can at least eliminate the input cap. Either way, the B1/BOZ designs are inverting, so you'll need to take that into account... I bet at the current & load impedance needed for a B1 or BOZ stage, you could relatively easily build a 1:1 output transformer, gets rid of the output cap, and you can fix the phase reversal as well ![]() ![]() Roscoe There is also a revision to the B1 that is run from a bipolar supply and DC (with an offset nulling pot at the output). Very simple complimentary pair (2SK170/2SJ74). David |
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